Would Dingeye and Thura be considered gray characters? Nevar00 19:35, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

They killed a Brother and stole the sword of Martin. No. -- LordTBT ^Talk! 20:45, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

• Accidentally killed him. Though I'll agree on the theft. Laburnum

Actually... Edit

You know, I actually liked these guys. I consider them gray, no matter what others say. Heck, Dingeye even cried when Thura died. Not for long, and he eventually fell to complaining about him, but it was a start... Some random redwall fan 04:32, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

• Lots of people seem to like these guys. They clearly aren't supposed to be "good" guys, because they stole the Sword and Dingeye left Thura to die (there wasn't much he could have done to help, but it's still a rotten thing to do to your best friend) but they didn't actually mean to hurt or kill anyone, so I don't think they could be called "evil". --81.152.65.97 00:29, 17 November 2008 (UTC)Laburnum

Random fact ...Edit

I studied British dialects in English Language class, and looked up some slang and accent features used in the Redwall books out of curiosity. Apparently "mucker" is from the Midlands dialect, which was voted "Britain's most unintelligent-sounding accent". After listening to the Salamandastron audiobook, I have to agree *grin* Laburnum

Picture Edit

Which stoat is which? You have no details about them, so there's no way of telling. Tazmaria Goldeneyes 23:13, December 7, 2009 (UTC)

• Since we don't know the difference between them, does it matter overmuch? Personally I'd peg the one in the foreground as Thura, though I can't really put my finger on why. Laburnum 01:09, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

It could be made more clear in the Russia novel, the image could very well be captioned. -- LordTBT ^Talk! 03:19, July 15, 2010 (UTC)